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Why is Obama Snubbing Asian Americans?

By: Emil Guillermo, Jan 13, 2008
Tags: Emil Amok, Opinion |

The Feb. 5 ballot is in my hot little hands. I’m a vote by mail guy because, that way, voting ranks up there with my Visa bill. When it’s due, it gets paid. I don’t forget.

But since I’m a “decline to state,” I can’t vote in the most interesting primary in California in some time.

So I’m tearing up my voter ballot and re-registering immediately. I suggest you do the same if you’re one of those privacy-seeking “independent” types. You have until Jan. 22 to get on a partisan list, Democratic or Republican (I know there are a few elephants in the tea house).

It’s just too important this year. By November, the biggest choice for your party will have been made — without you.

This year, California has moved up its primary from June to February, in order not to have your franchise trumped early in the game. An early ballot also becomes a critical showcase for the most Asian American state in the union. Do you want to make a difference?

Re-register, state your preference and decide now who will represent you.

Emil

‘Nobama’?
Since most of the APA community tends Democratic, the big vote will be your preference: Clinton or Obama.

This is causing quite a divide among APA politicos. But read on for the issue that may separate the candidates for you.

Obama made hay in Iowa when he scored big among women and independents. It may seem logical that Obama must have something if he can score big in the white-belt.

But for my money, the real test for Obama is how he will play in a state where the minorities are the majority and where Asian Americans are more numerous than blacks.

So far, Obama has not done well when it comes to communicating with Asian Americans.

It’s odd given Obama’s background. His prep school buddies from Punahou, now the elites of Hawai‘i, were the most rabid early supporters of an Obama candidacy. Most of those backers were haoles, the island way of referring to whites. But Obama’s overall Hawai‘i connections have always given him a veneer of being an “Asian-friendly” candidate.

But now there’s real evidence that it would be wrong to assume that Obama is a “rainbow” guy, or that he would even address serious Asian American concerns.

Barry Obama, the old Punahou High alum, has positively snubbed a humble questionnaire from an APA grassroots organization. While most of the Democratic candidates (Clinton and Edwards among them) submitted answers to the survey, Obama has not.

That’s a record equal to the Republican snub. Giuliani? Romney? Nothing. Obama’s in real unbecoming company.

The “dis” is not taken lightly by the originators of the questions, 80-20, a nonpartisan group that has developed over the years into an effective APA political advocacy organization. Led by S.B. Woo, a former lieutenant governor in Delaware, 80-20 is not some fly-by-night group. And its questions to the candidates weren’t puffballs.

They were specific questions like: If elected, will you direct the labor secretary to hold public hearings regarding the validity of the huge amount of statistical data strongly suggesting discriminatory practices against Asian Americans in workplaces today? If the data were shown valid, will you issue a directive to the Labor Department asking it to focus on enforcing Executive Order 11246 (mandating equal employment opportunity) on behalf of Asian Americans, since in the past similar efforts have already been made on behalf of women and other minorities?

Why would the “change agent” be afraid to say yes to any of that?

Other questions asked include whether Obama would seek nomination of qualified Asian Americans to serve as federal judges; Asian Ameicans currently represent 0.6 percent of judges despite being 4.5 percent of the population, and more than 5 percent of the lawyers in America’s biggest firms.

Woo said Obama’s staff simply declined to answer the questionnaire and responded with rhetorical inanities like “when [Obama] is president, an Asian American will have a better chance to be president.”

Woo said Obama staffers are also fond of pointing out that Obama’s brother-in-law is a Chinese American. And that will take care of equal opportunity in the workplace?

I’ll cut Obama a break. He can just let me know his answers if he’s serious about APA empowerment (see e-mail below).

But 80-20 is so incensed it’s started a nationwide e-mailing campaign to “Defeat Obama.”

It’s one thing to be slighted by some Desperate Housewives. It’s another thing when it’s an arrogant snub from a history chaser like Obama. Clinton and Edwards answered yes to all of 80-20’s questions. What’s the difference? One word: experience.

E-mail: emil@amok.com

Comments

  1. Where Barack Stands on AAPI Issues
    Provide Universal Health Care: There are nearly 2.4 million Asian Americans without health insurance. Barack Obama is committed to signing legislation by the end of his first term to ensure that all Americans have affordable, quality and portable health care coverage. Obama’s plan will save a typical American family up to $2,500 every year on medical expenditures by modernizing the U.S. health care system and promoting disease prevention and strengthening public health.

    End Racial Profiling and Fight Discrimination: Obama has spent his career as a community organizer, civil rights lawyer and elected advocate fighting to end all forms of discrimination. Obama passed a law in the Illinois State Senate to identify and combat racial profiling. He will use his life experiences to enact meaningful policies that protect the rights of minorities.

    Reform Immigration: Barack Obama has been a leading voice to comprehensively reform our immigration system by providing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, securing our border and fixing the broken immigration bureaucracy. As president, he will fight for comprehensive reform that prioritizes keeping families together and improving the H1-B visa program.

    Invest in Education: Obama will reform and adequately fund No Child Left Behind. He will hold schools accountable for teaching English-language learners, and will continue his fight to increase and reform college financial aid.

    Invest in Small Businesses: AAPIs own more than 1.1 million small businesses. Barack Obama will support federal programs that invest in minority-owned businesses, provide technical assistance to small business owners and reduce discrimination in lending.

    Equity for Filipino Veterans: Approximately 250,000 Filipino troops joined American forces in World War II. However, our country has yet to recognize the sacrifice that these veterans have made for our country. Barack Obama is a strong advocate of the Filipino Veterans Equity Act of 2007, which will fulfill America’s promise to recognize and support these brave veterans.

    http://aapi.barackobama.com
    http://www.asianamericansforobama.com/

    –June Lee on Jan 13, 2008

  2. Emil, there are some very specific reasons why Obama’s staff declined to answer the questionairre. This blogger has been following this issue very closely and I think you should check out this link:

    http://www.reappropriate.com/index.php?paged=2

    http://www.reappropriate.com/?p=908

    I think after you read those links you should write a followup article because those articles may give you a different perspective on this.

    –Randy on Jan 13, 2008

  3. Bravo, Emil.
    Ditto, Randy, AND angry Asian-American woman.
    But, narrow APAmerican issues and inputs ignore the larger issue: theoneocon agendas and ploys, as in the likelihood? or at least probability of another preemptive “first-strike” diversion vis-a-vis Iran.
    On this latter score, it has been obvious Billary is an apologist for “hegemony” or “global free enterprise,” and that Obama ain’t that far behind?
    It is instructive, in this regard, that now, finally, when the august 80/20 panjandrums choose to speak out, it is on same aforesaid “narrow” island of “minority” perks and opportunities at the public trough.
    Never mind the basic sociocultural illiteracies in the matter of perceptions of ALL minorities, whence spring the lack of respect, forget understanding.
    Bottom line: nothing is likely to change, and neither position nor perks nor remunerations will help herein.
    Alas!, we minorities, as such, are, at heart, no different from our majority movers-and-shakers. That’s why they remain in the driver’s seat, the perch we would if we could command.
    But, it’s all a charade, insofar as, today, IEDs seem to prove to be equal to smart bombs, dumb bombs as well.
    Power is as illusory as “wealth.” For sure, celebrity.
    Frank Eng

    –Frank Eng on Jan 14, 2008

  4. I posted this before and it was deleted and I don’t understand why. Was it because it didn’t fit into your negative article?

    Where Barack Stands on AAPI Issues
    Provide Universal Health Care: There are nearly 2.4 million Asian Americans without health insurance. Barack Obama is committed to signing legislation by the end of his first term to ensure that all Americans have affordable, quality and portable health care coverage. Obama’s plan will save a typical American family up to $2,500 every year on medical expenditures by modernizing the U.S. health care system and promoting disease prevention and strengthening public health.

    End Racial Profiling and Fight Discrimination: Obama has spent his career as a community organizer, civil rights lawyer and elected advocate fighting to end all forms of discrimination. Obama passed a law in the Illinois State Senate to identify and combat racial profiling. He will use his life experiences to enact meaningful policies that protect the rights of minorities.

    Reform Immigration: Barack Obama has been a leading voice to comprehensively reform our immigration system by providing a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants, securing our border and fixing the broken immigration bureaucracy. As president, he will fight for comprehensive reform that prioritizes keeping families together and improving the H1-B visa program.

    Invest in Education: Obama will reform and adequately fund No Child Left Behind. He will hold schools accountable for teaching English-language learners, and will continue his fight to increase and reform college financial aid.

    Invest in Small Businesses: AAPIs own more than 1.1 million small businesses. Barack Obama will support federal programs that invest in minority-owned businesses, provide technical assistance to small business owners and reduce discrimination in lending.

    Equity for Filipino Veterans: Approximately 250,000 Filipino troops joined American forces in World War II. However, our country has yet to recognize the sacrifice that these veterans have made for our country. Barack Obama is a strong advocate of the Filipino Veterans Equity Act of 2007, which will fulfill America’s promise to recognize and support these brave veterans.
    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/aapiissues
    http://www.asianamericansforobama.com/
    http://aapi.barackobama.com/

    –June Lee on Jan 14, 2008

  5. Hello Emil.

    I follow your column with great interest and was disappointed to see such a one-sided report on Obama’s record in supporting APAs. If you visit http://www.asianamericansforobama.com, you can get a link to the official response from the campaign on the 80-20 survey. (80-20 has been claiming that Obama provided no response and that’s simply not true.)

    Obama’s connection to the Asian Pacific American community is not as shallow as simply growing up in Hawaii, having lived in Asia as youth, or having an Indonesian American sister and Chinese Canadian brother-in law–although I submit to you that those are true and meaningful connections with Asian Americans. (Moreover, Obama’s brother in law is actually an adviser to the campaign on AAPI issues who has a history of involvement in the Democratic party and championing AAPI issues.) Here is an excerpt:

    “Barack Obama is committed to appointing qualified AAPIs to high-level positions in his administration, and he will strengthen the White House Initiative on ASain Americans and Pacific Islanders. Barack Obama will also build upon his work as a civil rights lawyer and community organizer to end racial discrimination and advance equal opportunity in the workplace and the federal government. Finally, as a former constitutional law lecturer, Obama understands the importance of a diverse judiciary and he is committed to increasing the representation of qualified minorities and women, including qualified Asian Americans, when there are vacancies int he federal judiciary, including the Supreme Court.” Indeed, Obama has been a supporter of Asian Americans in the legal profession–keynoting the 2005 National Asian Pacific American Bar Association (NAPABA) conference.

    In a field of exceptional Democratic candidates, Obama stands out to me as the strongest Asian American candidate. I would not discount the importance of his multicultural background and immigrant roots. And he is strong on issues that matter to AAPIs. He has a compassionate stand on comprehensive immigration reform and protecting family-based immigration, investments in quality K-12 and higher education, more support to minority-owned small businesses, meeting with Filipino Veterans and supporting the Filipino Veterans Equity Act as a member of the Veteran Affairs Committee, and a history as a civil rights lawyers who fought to protect voting rights and state legislator who expanded healthcare for folks in Illinois. He is the only candidate that has a specific page on his site devoted to AAPIs and issues that our community cares about: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/aapiissues

    Emil, I hope you will look into this issue further and set this record straight. The stakes are too high for our communities to miss the boat on this historic moment because of incomplete information.

    I urge you to contact people at the Asian American Action Fund of Greater Chicago, a truly grassroots group of Asian Pacific Americans that is familiar with Obama’s record through working with him in Illinois, and endorsed him in the fall. Please speak with members of his AAPI National Leadership Council, like Wilma Chan, who represented Obama at the AAA-Fund Candidate Forum in LA in December, where he won the straw poll by 71%. http://www.aaa-fund.org/press/2007dec06.asp (Clinton and Richardson were the other candidates represented.) Or contact our APA San Francisco School Board Members Eric Mar, Hydra Mendoza, and Jane Kim–all enthusiastic Obama supporters.

    Thank you.

    Proud Filipina American for Obama,
    Angelica Kristen Ortega Jongco

    –Angelica on Jan 14, 2008

  6. I just wanted to clarify, I wrote: “In a field of exceptional Democratic candidates, Obama stands out to me as the strongest Asian American candidate. ”

    I meant to say, Obama stands out to me as the strongest candidate for Asian American communities!

    Unfortunately in this race, we do not have an Asian American candidate, although I believe that an Obama presidency throws opens doors that will enable an Asian American candidate to one day walk through.

    –Angelica on Jan 14, 2008

  7. I’ve written a letter to the editor of AsianWeek, but they have so far ignored it. To be fair, I hope they will print it to balance out Emil’s opinion piece. Here it is for the online community:

    January 10, 2008

    Dear Editor of AsianWeek,

    As you may be aware by now, the 80-20 Initiative, an Asian American national organization and their current board, under the leadership of Dr. S.B . Woo, have recently launched an unfounded and unjustified public campaign attack on one presidential candidate, Barack Obama, on behalf of “all Asian Americans”.

    Their Op-Ed piece and my response appeared in the current issues of Asian American Press:

    http://www.aapress.com/oped.php

    As a self-described organization with a mission to “work for equality and justice for all Asian Americans” in a “nonpartisan” way, their unfounded “swift-boat” style attack on Obama, while ignoring every other candidate who didn’t respond to their PAC Questionnaire is short-sighted, foolish and wrong. Their raw political tactics reeks of hypocrisy and a symbol of great shame for me, as a fellow Asian American, and as a political activist who happens to believe in the issues they and all of us are fighting for.

    I write in PROTEST and IMPLORE to you to urge 80-20 to STOP making fools out of all of us! Yes, all of us as equal and politically engaged Asian Americans!

    I have read their press releases to the local Asian newspapers. I have scoured through their blogs and e-mail exchanges on their website. Yes, and I have researched the very issues on their questionnaire to this year’s batch of presidential candidates from both parties. I have also read Obama’s response to their questionnaire. I have spoken to and have documented responses from Asian American campaign organizers from several of the Democratic campaigns about 80-20’s recent, and should I say, quite bizarre behavior in attacking Obama.

    80-20 has the right to attack anyone they wish, especially under their guise of a “non-partisan” group, but please, spare us some facts, will you!? Dennis Kucinich did not respond to their questionnaire. NONE of the Republican candidates responded as well! Where’s 80-20’s attack on the Republicans, who, afterall, could care less about ANY of their questionnaires, much less them as an organization?!? Where are the cries of protests and random discriminate attacks from 80-20’s Asian American Republicans? I mean, we can all appreciate some equal opportunity discrimination here, right? But just Obama?

    Clearly, this is where 80-20’s hypocrisy (and perhaps their hidden partisanship agenda) is not only revealed, but rotting in the public square for all to see! Trust me, many Asian Americans across this country aren’t as stupid or out of touch with the political process and all its nuances as they all would like us to believe. Don’t pretend to “represent” any of us, if you’re an organization that can’t even sense that your current actions as an organization might actually be hurting so many Asian Americans…in ways you’re too blind to see or realize at the moment, thus your bizarre, twisted and unfounded attack on Obama.

    For all the good that 80-20 seem to do, they will have undo much of it by their blunt and unfounded attacks on Obama. I suppose 80-20 must be confident enough that their actions won’t backfire on them in ways that will cause their organization to become totally irrelevant among the vast majority of Asian Americans, and beyond.

    What disturbs me the most is that the people whose names are prominently on 80-20’s leadership roster knowing and consciously allow, order, and carry out this publicity stunt to try and “swift-boat” Obama. And for what?

    I actually spent some time in the last several days to research everyone on the board and the current officers. I am not naive about the people who throw their support, financially and otherwise to this organization. It is with this keen knowledge that 80-20’s current actions towards Obama, the energy and resources they have put into “defeating Obama”, and their seemingly partisan-charged attempts to “swift-boat” Obama is so utterly weird, and frankly, immature, shallow, and lacking in judgment and all virtues of an upstanding organization for a cause as great as seeking equal opportunity for Asian Americans. Shame on them!

    I call upon all concerned Asian Americans to take a step back, think, and if need be, organize a campaign to hold those responsible for this (ironically) discriminatory and totally unfounded, bias, and politically partisan-motivated attack on Obama…to account. This issue needs to be put before all the stakeholders, members and volunteers of 80-20 and see where they each stand. Beyond that, all major national Asian American organizations and leaders, elected and otherwise should be made aware of 80-20’s unfounded actions, and let the chips fall where they may. It’s a total shame that 80-20 have chosen to ignore ALL the Republican candidates altogether on the issues in their questionnaire.

    One only needs to browse the front pages of 80-20’s current website to see how blatantly partisan and anti-Obama 80-20 is.

    http://www.80-20initiative.net

    If 80-20 insists on their witch hunt of Obama, Asian Americans should unite to conclude that 80-20 have NO credibility as an organization who claims to represent the issues of our vastly diverse Asian American population in this country, especially on issues of equality and opportunity. It’s also a real shame that reputable organizations and individuals of integrity who are currently associated with 80-20 should have to share the same limelight of this nasty publicity sideshow.

    Finally, if 80-20 is so passionate about the issues in their questionnaire, you would think they would actually take the fight to DEFEAT the real obstacles to Asian American progress of true equality and opportunity in this country…the Republican candidates who could care less about responding or have anything to do with them or their questionnaire!!!

    For once, take the fight to whom and where it matters!!! The fact is that Obama is hardly their enemy!

    I am not writing this on behalf of any campaign or any candidate for the presidency, but as a concerned Asian American who cares deeply about the political process.

    Thank you.

    Sincerely,
    Mai Kou Xiong
    Minneapolis, Minnesota

    –Mai Kou Xiong on Jan 14, 2008

  8. Several things wrong with this column.

    First, it doesn’t appear Emil communicated with anyone on the other side of this issue. He got all his information from SB Woo.

    Second, as Randy pointed out, there were specific reasons why the campaign did not answer some of the questions. I understand that the Clinton campaign also did not initially answer some of the questions.

    Third, 80-20 doesn’t represent all Asian Americans. In fact, for an organization that has at its foundation the concept of unity, 80-20 sure spends a lot of time dividing people. If you’re not with them, you’re against them.

    And finally, people from all colors and backgrounds support Obama in Hawai’i. It’s just plain wrong and sorry to point to the “haole elite” as a way of dismissing Obama’s diverse support in the Aloha State.

    –Keith Kamisugi on Jan 14, 2008

  9. I am disappointed by the lack of research that went into this article.

    I would hope that other Asian American voters are choosing who to support in the upcoming primaries based on their belief in the candidate and his/her ability to bring about real change and progress, rather than on a complaint that a questionnaire wasn’t filled out.

    I will personally be voting for Obama for reasons much more meaningful (see the above comments) than whether he submitted one questionnaire to one questionable organization.

    –Riya Kuo on Jan 14, 2008

  10. Come on Emil! I almost always love and appreciate your columns but this one bothered me for the same reasons mentioned by others above.
    For those of us building Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders for Obama here in the SF Bay Area and throughout California, our focus is not only electing Obama as our next president, but involving new voters, giving voice to grassroots AA and PI communities, not the elites, and expanding democracy in America through the campaign.
    I think that is what sets us apart from the mainstream presidential campaigns.
    AAPI’s for Obama leader Eddie Wong’s Asian Week op-ed also captures the spirit of hope and change the Obama campaign for many of us as well - http://www.asianweek.com/2007/12/15/the-man-and-the-moment/

    –Eric Mar on Jan 14, 2008

  11. June - AsianWeek deleted my posting too. I hope they’ll print my editorial in response to S.B. Woo, Emil, and 80-20. It’s making its way to most of the major Asian American organizations in the country. Most Asian American elected officials, including the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, Chaired by U.S. Rep. Mike Honda.

    –mai xiong on Jan 14, 2008

  12. Look at Obama, he does not have any leadership & confidence. We need someone with wisedom who can turn us around. We can not have someone like the dumbass Bush as our next president.

    –Be Serious on Jan 14, 2008

  13. Dear Emil,

    I am an Asian American and wish to thank and salute you for courageously speaking out. In our democracy that is the most powerful and important way to gain equality and power.

    I have been tracking the activities of 80-20 for over 3 years and I find NO other Asian American organization that has consistently stayed true in its commitment to fight for us. SB Woo has donated tens of thousands to 80-20, publically pledged never to accept any political appointment even though he was the first Asian American to attain high level elected office as Lt. governor of DE. He has led a team of hardworking Asian American volunteer leaders in a united coalition to fight the big TOUGH battles that other good Asian American organizations shy away from.

    I know of NO other Asian American organization that has succeeded in getting even one presidential candidates to commit YES in writing to specific pledges. They have gotten that from several top tier candidates. This is historic!

    80-20 has been attacked in the past by Republicans as a Democratic front. Yet 80-20 has not hesitated to tackle and challenge front runners Clinton and Obama when they tried to just feed sweet words in place of measurable commitments. One by one, all of the Democratic candidates except Obama and Kucinich have pledged YES to all 6 questions of the 80-20 questionnaire which anyone can read by visiting http://www.80-20initiative.net

    I believe 80-20 does a superb job of helping us understand why and how it is important to vote in bloc and it has kept us informed of the whys of its actions. With so many people working so hard for us, I for one believe the LEAST we can do is to take the time to read and understand the info on their web site. Indeed, I think once we understand the facts, we should do one better—we should support it, instead of tearing it down based on heresy and misconceptions!

    Because there are but 5% or so Asian Americans, it is not easy to have the actions of such as small segment of Americans be felt—and 80-20 has done exactly that. Their impact at the voting booth has been observed and measured by reputatble institutions including Harvard Univ. They have now built on their past to accomplish what they have recently.

    As to the inane question, why don’t 80-20 attack the Republican? 80-20 is an intelligent guard dog of Asian American civil rights. It follows the scent and selectively hunts down those who seek to fool us or deny us of our rights. It also recognizes that it cannot chase anything and everything all over the place. It wisely selects its battles in order to be able to continue the war on inequality. Doing the most good with its limited resources!!

    The Asian American civil rights movement and that of the Blacks both have modest beginnings and the movement is a process that grows stronger each year and with the unwavering support of their respective bases. While we have not gotten any empathy from the Republicans, we have made strong gains on the Democratic side. This is why we must all support the Democratic candidate ultimately recommended by 80-20.

    The war has to be won one battle at a time. And we must vote in bloc for it to succeed.

    I have gone to a talk by SB Woo, and I come away elated and thankful to have heard a genuine, strategic-thinking civil rights leader. I’m now a proud dues-paying 80-20 member!!!

    80-20 WANTS to work with Obama. Obama—like Clinton initially, tried to buy our support with sweet empty words. Clinton at least changed her position and finally committed, or she could easily end up being targeted by 80-20.

    The reason Obama ended up being targeted is that he REFUSED over a 6-month period to sign YES to achieve specific measurable goals that others candidates have agreed to. He left us with no choice but to fight him.

    Senator Obama’s political machinery has cranked into full speed attacking 80-20, falsely claiming “Sen. Obama was concerned with the wording of some of the questions, and asked 80-20 to allow some modification. This was a courtesy that was extended to other campaigns, but for whatever reason, 80-20 refused to work with Sen. Obama.”

    I urge everyone to see for themselves the effort and courtesy 80-20 has shown in trying to reach out to Obama. See for yourself the Open letter to Senator Obama: http://8020politicalpower.blogspot.com/2008/01/open-letter-to-sen-obama.html

    Obama NEVER submitted ANY proposed change to the questionnaire. He was not sincere about his commitments. During the past week, Asian American Obama supporters have pointedly asked the Obama campaign what specific changes they’d like to make to the 80-20 Questionnaire. They were met with awkward silence!

    Do not fall prey to the old trick of divide and conquer. Already his distortions have been repeated and passed on again and again. Some of the same preceding posts are the exact same ones making the internet rounds, making it look like many share their views. Asian Americans for Obama is just his mouthpiece. He is getting his supporters to sound the “outrage.” Can’t you see it is working? Soon enough, this lie will be accepted as truth They have only one goal: get him elected.

    80-20’s goal is different—fighting for all of us, even as they are attacked and misunderstood!!
    Asian Americans owe it to themselves to find out about 80-20 .

    READ the questionnaire! See for YOURSELF if it is reasonable. What is it that Obama is so concerned that even Clinton and Edwards and others are not???? Ha!

    Ask yourself: Obama is minority himself. WHY, oh WHY is he unwilling to commit to the SAME goals that Clinton and Edwards have agreed to? We are not even asking him to stick his neck out and do more for us than the other candidates!! What is he trying to dodge and hide?

    And if you support Obama, HOW are you going to hold him to his sweet empty words of fighting for us—when there is NO written promise that can be measured. You should spread the question to your Asian American Obama supporters and to Obama himself: WHY?? What is unacceptable to him in the Questionnaire?

    It is not too late for Obama to change his mind and answer YES!

    I recognize the symbolic significance of Obama in the White House. But I’d be a fool to vote for someone (just because he is a minority but who) does not have the moral courage to do the fair and right thing.

    What Asian American need are REAL promises, not sweet words or empty symbolic gestures!

    Asian Jack

    –Asian Jack on Jan 14, 2008

  14. Emil,

    Well said. I especially like your invitation to Senator Obama’s campaign. I hope he’ll take you up on it.

    –Jing on Jan 14, 2008

  15. It is no less than inspiring, not to mention gratifying, to read all of the above responses.
    “Asian Pacific Americans” have come of age, and, if those represented by the speakers above are truly so represented, then there IS hope.
    Even though this nation continues to hawk “arms” to BOTH “sides” in the Middle East, and elsewhere of course, even as its putative “president” makes mock of the very “democracy” the above “represent.”
    Note too the report today on MSNBC of the rise, again, of racial, mostly “black” in this case, “harassments” in the American “workplace,” along with the continuing implosion of the domestic “economy” and the seeming reduction of the proud “blue collar” earners to the status of Third World servitors in bars and restaurants.
    Tiny rays of hope too, like Phil Nash’s report on a “Chinese-American” woman’s admirable adventures as a teacher in the Navajo Nation, where respect comes with some “diss’ing.”
    Obama converts above are persuasive, and, may I suggest?, their pique, and ire, at the 80/20 crowd brings to mind that APA panjandrums are no different from those of other colors. And the “defeat Obama” slogan simply reflects the color of their interests, in this case, obviously “Establishment.”
    Why should they be different from Pelosi and Murtha? Or Lantos?
    Sad fact of the matter, from this aged perch, is the possibility that that young teacher on the Navajo res may well be MORE important as groundwork than seems likely on the surface.
    If the neocon leadership survives long enough, some day in the distant future, there may yet be “justice” awaiting them in the long, winding roads of realpolitik. A nouveau Nuremberg? That too.
    That is, unless they succeed in blowing up all they intend to blow up. In which case, stop worrying about the crumbling ice shelves of Antarctica OR the relative merits of gasahols distilled from corn OR grass, and forget that upstart Nano out of the subcontinent. The loin-clad should not be allowed to pollute the common airs that circulate the globe.
    Frank Eng
    P.S.: Obama, even Edwards, rather than Billary, charming as half of that entity remains. Too bad that Dennis is “short” in stature? and that Richardson is belatedly “righteous” in re the Establishment.

    –Frank Eng on Jan 14, 2008

  16. 80-20 is a PAC, not a social club where everyone is treated fairly and nicely. Do you want things good for our community done? Or do you want to be nice to all and let them walk all over you?
    Political Action Committee deals in rewarding politicians that work for us and punishing those who work against us. Clear and simple. We are not partisan. It’d be foolish to give Republicans equal time while you are dealing with the Democratic Primary, wouldn’t it? It would be equally foolish to endorse all Democratic candidates when you want just one of them to win, wouldn’t it?

    –Catlink on Jan 14, 2008

  17. Will everyone just look at 80-20’s website? 99% of their front page material is dedicated to attacking ONE candidate for the Presidency! Tell me is that looks like “NON-PARTISAN” advocacy. Come on, you don’t have to be a politically savvy activist to know that their tactics reeks of hypocrisy and partisanship! Will 80-20 prove to us that they are indeed “non-partisan” and will equally “punish and reward” politicians….and launch similar vicious attack campaigns on every single Republican candidate who all have also so far absolutely refused to answer their Questionnaire????

    –Mai on Jan 14, 2008

  18. I came from the famed Bell Laboratories, and I used to hear all kinds of “intellectual” arguments why Asian Americans were good in their technical contributions, but were just not good for management. That would not happen if there were concrete performance evaluation measurements. Yet, we were great in coming up with performance measurement schemes to increase the efficiencies of the operations of the Bell Systems, from operators helping customers to repair service answering outages. The motto was simply, “if you cannot measure a service performance, it is not worth designing that service”.

    We all know that politicians makes promises, especially those that cannot be measured or be accountable after being elected. Asian Americans do not need more promises or platitude for having been civil-rights minded; all 80-20 is asking is to sign in concrete stone simple six questions that will give Asian Americans equal opportunity and justice for advancement under the same performance system. So, why are there so many claimed Asian American Obama supporters that are attacking 80-20, when Sen. Obama can simply sign the six questions, affirmatively? As claimed by his supporters, his past civil rights accomplishments and his minority candidacy would make Asian Americans proud. I even agree with that, only if he would simply sign the six questions affirmatively!

    David

    –David on Jan 14, 2008

  19. It is hard to say which candidate stands out from the crow. Since none of them have done anything extraordinary for Asian-Pacific Americans.

    We cannot go by what they claim they going to do. We have to look at what they have put in and continue putting in. Past predicts future. Clinton had some media clash w/ Asian reporters.

    Having Obama makes minority closer to become president. That doesn’ mean we get the policies favor us.

    –Eastern Leader on Jan 15, 2008

  20. It saddens me to see Asian Americans attacking each other over the issue of Obama vs. Clinton. The fact is they are both excellent candidates for the Presidency.

    For my money I’d go with Senator Clinton who has signed in writing her promise to bring equality and justice to all Asian Americans. For the life of me, I don’t understand why Senator Obama has refused on many occasion to pledge in writing his willingness to bring basic civil rights to Asian Americans.

    We have gone way pass the threshold of accepting “trust me, a close relative of mine is Chinese American”.

    Senator Obama, sign on the dotted line and I will support you.

    Joel in California

    –Joel Wong on Jan 15, 2008

  21. Emil,

    We are with you!!!! I liked Obama and was going to support him. Unfortunately, all the nice talk about “working for” Asian American causes don’t mean a damn thing in light of these facts:
    1) His inaction over a 6-month period on the 80-20 questionnaire and refusal to engage in good faith negotiations.
    2) He is lawyer and he KNOWS how he can get away with nice words that cannot be measured and held accountable! There is a big difference between “I promise to help you financially and I promise to give you $65,000” Just $1 would satisfy the first commitment.
    3) He refused to sign even AFTER Clinton and Edwards have signed, proving he is totally insincere about Asian Americans’ plight.

    I say, “Enough of his great phony Oratory!!” I for one am going into the voting booth with my mind clearer and my eyes wide open. We CANNOT support someone who does not support us.

    Ono in LAX

    –Shingo Ono on Jan 15, 2008

  22. You know, I got the emails from 80-20 too, and wasn’t sure what the hoopla is all about with Obama. Somebody in an earlier post said that there are very specific reasons why Obama didn’t answer the questionnaire. I looked into the links and it basically boils down to wording that implies quotas, which is unconstituional.

    If that’s the only issue, I don’t understand why the Obama camp is still refusing to answer the questionnaire. Digging out the last several messages from 80-20, it looks like they have already changed the wording to remove any implications of quotas whatsoever. If anything the last open letter bends over backwards way too far if you ask me. What’s so objectionable about signing such an innocuous document for Obama?

    Once upon a time I was all ga-ga for Obama too but now I don’t know. More and more he looks like just another politician beholden to all kinds of special interests. If he doesn’t have the backbone to stand up to them and do something so unobjectionable, how is he going to clean up the mess in Iraq?

    –Legs on Jan 15, 2008

  23. I roll my eyes at all the rapturous tire-pumping for Obama. Please. If you want to be in the messianic business, go join a cult. All we can expect from our politicians is decency and competency. Obama is probably decent. His competency OTOH is completely unproven. It’s not like he’s going to take the Tennis Court Oath if he gets in - you wouldn’t want that anyway, the last time they rolled out the guillotines pretty quick after taking the Tennis Court Oath.

    –Zee on Jan 15, 2008

  24. well, it looks like the 80/20 staff have found their way to this article. -Very suspicious that 6 Anti-Obama posts are posted on the same day, -all hitting the same talking points (repeating the whole “Obama didn’t respond for 6 months) and an overuse of caps and exclamation points.

    Honestly, I don’t know what to make of this entire issue. To me, it doesn’t make any sense that a politician would deliberately ignore or offend an advocacy group. There has to be more to it than what is being shouted about here. The truth most likely is somewhere in the middle.

    I must say though, that this “scorched earth” attitude by 80/20 strikes me as a somewhat extreme and a bit unprofessional. I think Email needs to do some more research and find out what’s really going on rather than solely relying on 80/20 for information.

    –Randy on Jan 15, 2008

  25. I’m the administrator of the http://www.AsianAmericansforObama.com website and the founder of the related organization.

    I want to make sure that everyone is clear that Asian Americans for Obama is an independent grassroots group that supports Sen. Obama’s election. We do NOT represent the official views of the Obama campaign. For the official Obama AAPI website, visit http://aapi.barackobama.com. Any information or statement from the campaign that we post or provide, we obtain by asking campaign staff, which anybody is free to do.

    To address some of the points some have made, I urge you to evaluate Sen. Obama’s record on AAPI issues independently. Whether it’s our organization or 80-20, ultimately, you must make your decision not based on what other people say is reality, but what facts you can discover for yourself.

    In my two posts responding to 80-20 on the Asian Americans for Obama website linked in the second comment above, I have attempted to offer some of these facts. As I stated, when I went to law school in Chicago and Sen. Obama was still teaching there, I had the opportunity to see his work as a state senator and see what he was like as a person. Every Asian American community leader I knew in Chicago spoke highly of Sen. Obama’s commitment to AAPI issues throughout his career, and how he was a reliable, unwavering voice for AAPI concerns in the Illinois State Senate. If you want to know what he has done for Asian Americans, look at his legislative record. Talk to Asian American leaders in Illinois who have been working with him for years. Talk to his US Senate Chief of Staff and Legislative Director, who are both of APA descent. Talk to my friend and law school classmate Priya Bhattia, who heads the Chicago chapter of South Asians for Obama. Look at his policy platform for AAPIs. Look at the fact that he has more resources devoted specifically to the AAPI community of any of the major presidential candidates.

    To offer one example, one of the questions that Obama supposedly refused to answer was about appointing Article III judges (federal judges). Woo implies that not answering the question means Obama is not committed to this principle. Yet in fall 2005 at the National Asian Pacific American Bar Association National Convention in Chicago, Sen. Obama gave a speech where he specifically mentioned the need to fight for more APA judges on the federal bench (as well as issuing a call to APAs to be more actively involved in electoral politics). I know that because I was there.

    The problem with 80-20 is not that they criticize Sen. Obama, but the manner in which they have done it. First of all, it is completely irresponsible, not to mention a logical fallacy, to argue that to refuse to answer a questionnaire from one APA organization means that Obama must not care about APAs. Even if the charge were true, there are plenty of other reasons why someone might refuse that have nothing at all to do with their position on APAs. Second of all, the sheer vitriol of the rhetoric is disheartening. If Sen. Obama were David Duke, that may be understandable. But to attack a proven progressive who grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii as some kind of anti-Asian racist is terribly misleading. (I also think one shouldn’t underestimate the value of having lived abroad for being able to empathize with first generation immigrants who know what it’s like to live somewhere besides America.)

    Ultimately, if we get bogged down with the details of what exactly was said between the two camps, we’ll never resolve the issue since none of us were there. Rather than obsessively parsing the meaning of a tussle over one questionnaire, wouldn’t all of us be better served by spending that time researching the known facts, the record, and talking to the people in positions to know most about what Obama has done over the years, especially before he was nationally known? I know the Asian American community is more sophisticated than to just take their cues from one organization, no matter how hard working or successful in the past. Just like the black community knows that Farrakhan, Sharpton, Jackson, Bond, Mfume, etc. each speak for themselves and their organizations, not necessarily the community as a whole.

    I’ve gone to talks with S.B. Woo. I’ve even had the opportunity to chat with him a few times. I interned at OCA when 80-20 was just starting up, and he was working with organizations such as OCA on the project. One of his relatives went to college with me. He’s done a lot of things worth admiring and applauding. But that does not mean he has earned the right to be the final say on every issue or claim that his views represent the interests and perspectives of all Asian Americans.

    Ramey Ko
    Asian Americans for Obama
    http://www.AsianAmericansforObama.com

    PS - For all those who seem to think Sen. Obama is a “phony,” I went to the University of Chicago Law School while he was still teaching there. This was before anyone outside of Chicago had even heard his name; in fact, when he first ran for US Senate, his name ID was low even in Chicago outside his state senate district. I can guarantee you that Sen. Obama was exactly the person then that you see on TV now. His warmth, kindness, and passion were clear to everyone, and if you ask any of the faculty members, including our famously libertarian Law & Economics folks who probably disagree with Obama on almost everything, he was the same 15 years ago as he is today. His students always gave him glowing evaluations, and he was one of the most popular teachers at school. My friends who took the last class he taught, Race and the Law, in winter quarter of 2003-2004, which was in the thick of the highly competitive Democratic primary, said that despite his campaign, he never missed office hours and met with each of them individually to work on their papers for the class. I was recently told a story by someone here in Austin about going to see Obama when he was doing his book tour in 2006. After he spoke, he spent twenty minutes chatting with this woman and her friends. One of them suddenly collapsed, and Sen. Obama stayed by this woman’s side, refused letting security guards take him aside until the paramedics arrived, and prayed for the woman along with her friends. This man is the real deal, folks. All you have to do is talk to people who know him personally. Even his political adversaries in Illinois have nothing but the best things to say about his character and his person.

    –Ramey Ko on Jan 15, 2008

  26. Just wanted to add two comments:

    1) If you are already registered to vote and declined to state an affiliation, you can actually show up on registration day and ask for a democratic ballot but if you’re a permanent absentee voter, you must request an absentee democratic primary ballot from your county office of elections. You do not have to change your affiliation. From the CA elections page: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_decline.htm#primary

    2) Also, just wanted to amend my post because a friend pointed out to me that John Edwards does have an AAPI issues page. I missed it because it isn’t visible from the main homepage, but it can be accessed if you click on issues and then scroll to the bottom of the page. http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/aapi/

    –Angelica on Jan 15, 2008

  27. The following might as well be 80-20’s NEW “Mission”

    “80-20 is a national, a highly partisan, Political Action Committee dedicated to discriminately singling out one candidate from the Democratic party to Swift-Boat through an all out campaign, ideally directing 80% of our community’s votes and money to other presidential candidates favored by the 80-20, who promised through our Questionnaires that they will better represent the interests of a few of our visionary 80-20 leaders only. Hence, “80-20″ was created,” and no one can touch us now. And, we won’t back down from our playbook until at least the majority of Asian Americans are made fools out of this issue.”

    –Sabastian Hong on Jan 15, 2008

  28. Curiouser and curiouser, but:
    1: To the observation that both Clinton and Obama are fine candidates, true for domestic issues, but false for foreign affairs, as in the fact that Clinton has never renounced her public record as “Lieberman Lite.”
    I don’t know about anyone else, but this APA perch believes that larger issues trump smaller ones.
    2: Which leads to the fact that “minority” claims and rights must subserve that of the “whole,” i.e., this nation and this republic, now suffering under a military/industrial oligarchy to rival that of the Kaiser AND Hitler.
    3: Yes, 80/20 is a “political action committee,” and so is AIPAC. And so, also, are ALL those self-serving lobbies that brook no quarter and care nothing about the common weal.
    4: If one judges another by his “enemies,” then one would have to side with Obama, who should carefully watch his back if he continues to challenge those in power and those who subserve them. Remember the Kennedys AND MLK. These guys think nothing of authentic genocides, so why would they draw the line at simple assassinations? Bennett? even can out openly to “terminate” Hugo Chavez.
    5: If, as reported, Obama refused to “guarantee” posts and appointments to “blacks,” why in the world should he do so for APAs?
    6: The 80/20 “campaign” to stop Obama sounds to me as if said PAC is either complicit with or identifies with the Clinton camp for continuing “middle-of-the-road” acquiescence or submission to the warmongers, who, appartently, include a majority of the “Denicratic Party.”
    Prognosis: Things are going to get worse, for EVERYone, other than the oligarchs, that is. The CEO of Countrywide is retiring under a golden parachute of- a mere 40-mil, whilst supermarket prices for daily needs skyrocket to hunger levels.
    Frank Eng
    P.S.: And even Obama may be able to do little to stem this tide of birds come home to roost: humiliation overseas and recession domestically

    –Frank Eng on Jan 15, 2008

  29. Obama reminds me of Elaine Chiao, our not-beloved Asian American Labor Secretary, who has done nothing to advance Asian American rights in workplace except having an Asian face and an Asian surname. People like these, obstruct, rather than advance, Asian American causes because they are afraid to offend their white constituency. They play the minority card to get the minority support, but play the majority card to stay in office. How pathetic! If you can not stand Chiao, you sure won’t be able to stomach Obama!

    Hillary is a minority, but is not afraid to speak for minority, despite doing so might cost her votes. I love her Presidential courage, which Obama is sorely lacking!

    –Kelvin Chen on Jan 16, 2008

  30. Frank, you get bonus points from me for managing to integrate the Jeffersonian term “common weal” into an online conversation.

    –Randy on Jan 16, 2008

  31. Emil,

    It is absolutely appalling the complete lack of research that went into your op-ed article. If you had read the exact questionnaire that was sent to Obama, you’d realize that 80-20 was actually trying to politically bully power for 80-20 specifically, and not for the general interests of the AAPI community.

    As an Asian American putting myself in Obama’s shoes reading the questionnaire, I wouldn’t have signed it either. I would not have been comfortable with the fact that the questionnaire explicitly says I would have to appoint people decided solely by 80-20/SB Woo.

    As someone who has been receiving the 80-20 newsletter for almost 9 years now, the recent unstable missives from this organization has left a bad taste with me.

    -drew

    –drew on Jan 16, 2008

  32. Kelvin, one question: On what basis are you making the claim that Obama would not do anything for minority rights? Can you point to any specific stated policies or comments that would indicate this? Or are you basing this claim solely on whole 80/20 questionairre?

    –Randy on Jan 16, 2008

  33. I believe the leaders of 80-20 have genuinely good intentions for the APA community. However, they need to stop and consider whether they are truly accomplishing their originally stated mission by pursuing this ill-guided call to defeat Obama. As of now, they are doing more harm than good by: 1) Arguing on Faulty Logic, 2) Representing Themselves Unprofessionally, and 3) Failing their Own Mission by Dividing APA Democrats

    1. 80-20’s Fuzzy Logic

    80-20’s primary argument seems to be: “Hillary & Edwards said Yes to our very reasonable survey, but Obama did not say Yes. Therefore, Obama will never support equal opportunity for APA’s and he must be defeated.”

    However, 80-20 fails to show any evidence that Obama approved similar surveys submitted to him for support of Latino, Black, Disabled, LGBT or any other communities. Without such evidence, they cannot prove that Obama intentionally neglected 80-20 and APA issues over other groups. Likewise, it is quite possible that Hillary and Edwards answered affirmatively to all surveys from various advocacy groups, regardless of content. After extensively comparing Obama to his political opponents, 80-20 must also measure itself against other organizations and advocacy groups who approached these candidates.

    80-20 also ignores the possibility that Obama could still support equal opportunities for APA’s even if he did not answer the survey, as if preclusion of their questionnaire amounted to an ironclad commitment to eternal inequality. Nor do they recognize the potential for Hillary and Edwards to renege on their promises, as if no President ever did that (”Read my lips, anyone”?). 80-20’s entire argument is logically faulty.

    2. 80-20’s Unprofessional Representation

    Also, Obama might have perceived 80-20 as a non-legitimate organization, and the 80-20 leaders could be responding angrily to his candidacy because of a bruised ego. If they ever want to be taken seriously, 80-20 needs to realize how unprofessional they come across to others, for these two reasons.

    A. Fraudulent Email Subscriptions

    First, 80-20 must stop copying and pasting email addresses from private messages and conversations, in order to subscribe these people, unwittingly, to the 80-20 mailing-list. The 80-20 website does not even have a text box to enter one’s email address and subscribe to their mailing list, because it is apparently unnecessary. This practice of increasing their exposure and outreach is unprofessional, invasive and disrespectful to the “700,000 supporters” who suddenly found themselves on the 80-20 mailing list without ever initiating any contact. The only reason I never spam-blocked the 80-20 emails is because I felt they pursued worthwhile goals, until this “Defeat Obama” fiasco.

    B. Poor Grammar & Etiquette

    Second, if 80-20 truly wishes to represent the community, a simple course in email etiquette would help people take them more seriously. The overused red font, boldtype and exclamation points are textbook errors that reveal their inexperience and crudeness. The messages are long-winded, structurally unsound and rife with grammatical errors. Such poor communication skills are not indicative of a professionally run organization and I can only surmise that other Democratic candidates took them seriously out of desperation to be in their good graces.

    3. 80-20’s Failed Mission

    Finally, 80-20’s proposed solution of defeating Obama to demonstrate the power of our APA voting bloc is immature and departs from its own declared goal of uniting an 80% voting bloc. Indeed, the APA community must show that we can make an impact on the political process and be the crucial swing vote that will bring us much-deserved attention. Threatening a single candidate, however, with a concerted effort to defeat him in the primaries for not answering their questionnaire, is a primitive retort and obvious grasp for attention. Although I am sure it has gained them much publicity and website traffic in the short run, 80-20’s controversial attempt to assert power is irrational without proof that Obama’s campaign treats them differently from other organizations.

    If leaders in 80-20 and the APA community truly want to mobilize and make a long-term impact, our efforts would be better suited towards registering more young APA’s (who are skewing progressive) and pushing us all Democratic in November to defeat whichever candidate the Republicans support. I think 80-20’s own response on their website FAQ #8 says it best: “If we want to see the best results — getting people in both parties working diligently for us beginning today, we must endorse a party not a candidate.” (boldtype added) http://www.80-20initiative.net/faq/long.asp#8

    Brian Wang
    bwang1@gmail.com

    (these views are my own and do not represent those of the organizations I belong to)

    –Brian Wang on Jan 16, 2008

  34. Randy, What’s holding Obama back from singing the 80-20 questionnaire, which Clinton, Edwards, Dobb, Bidden, and Richardson have all signed, except that he has no intention of righting the wrongs for Asian Americans? Can you find another logical answer? If this questionnaire is unfit for signing, then the other 5, all having much more experience than Obama, must have a “0″ IQ. Don’t be fooled by skin color, look at the facts.

    –Kelvin on Jan 16, 2008

  35. The fact remains that 80-20 is totally focused and undeterred on defeating one candidate, a Democrat, only. Their current website exists soley as a ANTI-Obama” website (99% of the front page content is evident enough). THIS is a direct contradiction to it’s very existence as a so-called “non-partisan” group, and trying speaking for “all Asian Americans?”

    –Sabastian on Jan 16, 2008

  36. Let’s get REAL folks!

    OF COURSE Obama is not promising to give Blacks federal jobs! Blacks have benefitted not only from EO11246, they have one better: Affirmative Action. They are heavily represented in government and judiciary. They even have one on the supreme court. Does the fact that we don’t even have 1 Asian out of 179 federal appellate judges mean ANYTHING to you? A decent politician helps the oppressed and clearly disadvantaged (that’s us) and he is not afraid to do the right thing.

    If Obama does not like the 80-20 Questionnaire, why didn’t he make a counter proposal?? What is he afraid of that the other Democratic candidates are not? Open you eyes! If Obama is not willing to commit in writing to help Asian Americans, he is not sincere about helping us.

    Ono

    –Shingo Ono on Jan 16, 2008

  37. AsianWeek is a narrow-minded Bay-centric newspaper who has the gall to claim that it is the “Voice of Asian America”. It’s no wonder that Emil thinks that one man’s crusade for his own personal glory passes as a political movement worthy of printing. Oh, I forgot, this is the same paper that ran a column called “Why I Hate Black People”. Maybe the 80-20 diatribe against Obama is SB Woo’s thinly disguised version, and AsianWeek is yet again a willing enabler in getting the message out.

    –midwesterner on Jan 16, 2008

  38. Brian, 80-20 may not be perfect, but if you know a better alternative, please let me know. The fact that most Democratic candidates have signed 80-20’s questionnaire, except for Obama, is already an achievement in itself. If Asian Americans can unite, we can teach Obama a lesson, and all politicians will learn that snubbing Asian Americans is not a wise thing to do. Why worry about tactics, as long as the purpose is achieved?

    –Westcoaster on Jan 16, 2008

  39. To Kelvin: You didn’t answer my question. You cannot point to any statements, positions, or policies by Obama that would indicate he does not support Asian American representation and rights. Your entire argument is based on this *ONE* questionnaire. 80/20 can’t even release a press statement without misspellings and typos. And all of the 80/20 anti-Obama folks here seem to be extremely immature and hyper-reactive.

    I am entirely open to a logical argument against Obama if you can point to anything BESIDES this questionnaire that would indicate a lack of support for Asian Americans.

    Also, did it ever occur to you that the other candidates responded to the questionnaire to get a easy recommendation from 80/20?? i.e. “yeah, yeah sure whatever you say, we’ll sign it. Thanks for your support!”

    If anything, Obama’s refusal to sign the questionnaire shows a lot of INTEGRITY. He’s not going to sign anything just to get an easy endorsement.

    I throw an open challenge to ALL anti-Obama people here to point to ONE statement, policy or decision that would indicate he does not support Asian American rights. I am open-minded on this and can be convinced if somebody makes an intelligent, LOGICAL argument that does not rely on one questionnaire given by a group of immature people who can’t even spellcheck their own press releases.

    –Randy on Jan 17, 2008

  40. A quintupler here.
    To three, only one of whom is semi-named, to wit, Kelvin, Midwesterner AND Westcoaster.
    For the latter two, why are you afraid to post your name?? Emil, at the very least, openly and fearlessly acknowledges HIS.
    And to the outnumbered twain, Randy and Brian Wang, I am particularly impressed with the latter’s thoughtful input, along with everyone else who has been moved to speak out and up — BRAVO !
    After initial doubts and hesitancy, this octogenarian has arrived at the point of subjective decision:
    Barack Obama is our best and only hope for an America that is worth fighting for.
    Tonight, I even got a phone call purporting to be from RFK Jr., plumping for Billary.
    That sealed it for me.
    I had thought Bobby’s scion had properly thanked Hugo Chavez for the latter’s largesse the past winter or two, and was among the first to denounce the oiligopolies for their poisonous leavings at the headwaters of the Amazon.
    The Establishment HAS to be fearful for its perks and privileges AND “power.”
    A Vegas judge has okayed Strip casino caucuses, and if Obama, whose young proponents have been ringing my old phone off the hook, wins Nevada yet, can the Golden State be far behind?
    That is, if the fearful and the greedy do not prevail once more, regardless of race, class, or creed.
    In which event, I urge, once more, extraordinary security, in this case, for real, precautions for the candidate of “hope,” and “uniting,” and “CHANGE.”
    Frank Eng
    P.S.: I coiuld be wrong, again as usual, but methinks both “Midwesterner” and “Westcoaster” originated from the identical keypad and p.c., probably some fringe or “minority” “swiftboater” who is paid for the smear job.

    –Frank Eng on Jan 17, 2008

  41. Response to 80-20 from Obama AAPI Leaders

    Dear S.B. Woo,

    In response to your “Open Letter from the Asian Am Community” to Senator Barack Obama, we are sending this letter to address some apparent misunderstandings and misconceptions.

    As key supporters of the Obama campaign, we can assure you that the campaign is committed to reaching out to the Asian American community. The Senator has created an Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) National Leadership Council comprised of key AAPI leaders and activists from throughout the country to advise the campaign on identifying AAPI issues of concern and outreach. The campaign has provided an official statement of support and commitment to the Asian American Action Fund (AAA Fund). In fact, the AAA Fund of Greater Chicago has formally endorsed Senator Obama’s candidacy. The campaign has sent top surrogates to address the AAPI community’s concerns and their needs at candidate forums sponsored by Asian Pacific Americans for Progress (APAP) and the AAA Fund. The Senator, himself, emphasized his support of Asian Americans with his message of diversity through unity during his participation in the Iowa Heartland Presidential Forum. The campaign has outlined a comprehensive plan to reclaim the American Dream for Asian American and Pacific Islander families. Barack Obama is the only candidate to have a campaign-sponsored Asian American outreach webpage linked off of its main website.

    In an effort to further reach out to the AAPI community, the Obama campaign attempted to establish a dialogue with you regarding the 80-20 Educational Foundation’s questionnaire in December 2007. On Friday, December 14, 2007, Obama campaign staff had engaged in a phone conversation with you to discuss concerns regarding the wording of the questionnaire. The staff members had requested you to consider changes to questions 4 and 5, both of which relate to appointing AAPI judges, because of concerns that the questions implied a de facto quota. As you are aware, Senator Obama is a strong supporter of affirmative action and enhancing opportunities for Asian Americans, but he is a staunch opponent of the quota systems. The staff members requested that you consider modifying the wording of those questions to resemble the wording of question 6, which addresses considering qualified AAPIs for the Supreme Court. Unfortunately, you refused to consider modifications of the questions, and refused our request to explore other alternatives that would allow the Obama campaign to submit the completed questionnaire to the members of 80-20. In response to the 80-20 questionnaire as written, the Obama campaign did send you a letter confirming Senator Obama’s commitment to the enhancement of representation of Asian Americans in the federal judiciary system and ensuring equal opportunity in the workplace for not only Asian Americans, but for all Americans. Apparently, that was not acceptable to you.

    Since that conversation, we have been greatly disturbed by emails that were circulated from you to your membership, which included false statements regarding your communications or lack of communications with the Obama staff. 80-20’s emails have made untrue allegations as to the reasons why the Obama campaign has not submitted “Yes” or “No” answers to the questionnaire. 80-20’s emails have also unfairly targeted and ridiculed Senator Obama and his motivations for his run to the Presidency. The emails have reflected untrue claims regarding the roles of the Senator’s family members and supporters and their participation in the campaign. The allegations through your ongoing emails to your membership continue to be false and misleading. We ask that you to refrain from circulating untrue and unsubstantiated statements about the Senator, his family members, campaign supporters, and the Obama campaign staff.

    We encourage you, in the spirit of cooperation, to consider the changes the campaign requested in December or work with the campaign to find acceptable alternatives. We hope that 80-20 will rescind its Defeat Obama campaign. We do not understand why 80-20 has targeted Senator Obama and his candidacy even after the Obama campaign had attempted in good faith to establish a dialogue with 80-20. Other Democratic candidates at the time, including Governor Richardson and Congressman Kucinich, had not responded to the questionnaire, nor had any of the Republican candidates and yet none of them were targeted with a specific and deliberate campaign to defeat their candidacies.

    The Obama campaign pledges to continue to reach out to the Asian American community and recognizes the importance of contributions made by the members of the AAPI community to the growth and success of our country. We look forward to further strengthening our dialogue and position with the AAPI community in addressing their issues of concern and needs throughout this campaign. We are proud of the diverse coalition that has been built to support Barack Obama’s campaign for President, and we certainly encourage organizations like 80-20 to stand with us in our mission to affect positive change for our country.

    Thank you.

    Sincerely yours,

    Nancy Chen, IL.
    Former APA Outreach Director for the Office of Presidential Personnel (1996-1997) and Former Chicago Director for Senator Paul Simon (D–IL) (1991-1996); Co-chair, Obama AAPI National Leadership Council

    Ann Lata Kalayil, IL.
    Former DNC At-Large Member and APIA Caucus; Co-Chair, Obama AAPI National Leadership Council

    Stanley M. Toy, Jr. M.D., CA.
    Chairman, Los Angeles County Hospital and Healthcare Delivery Commission and President and CEO TEAM Healthcare; Former Deputy National Finance Chair for Kerry-Edwards 2004, DNC Delegate-at-Large 2004, Member, Kerry National Leadership Council; Co-Chair, Obama AAPI National Leadership Council

    –Christine on Jan 17, 2008

  42. Asian Americans should consider voting Republican instead of Democrat. Asian Americans are relatively financially well off, so Republican policies such as lower taxes, should benefit Asians more.

    –Hock on Jan 18, 2008

  43. “Hock”:
    What a double-whammy here!
    “We” are rich, so we should vote ourselves richer?
    To Hell! with everyone else? Not to mention the republic itself AND the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
    You have managed to go the theoneocons one better, no, make that worse. Much worse.
    You have added insult to injury.
    Frank Eng

    –Frank Eng on Jan 18, 2008

  44. More than 30 Asian American artists, filmmakers and activists, including actress Kelly Hu, Yul Kwon, Eric Byler and Annabel Park are in Las Vegas this weekend to support Barack Obama and promote Asian Pacific American participation in Saturday’s historic Nevada Caucus.

    Byler and Park will be creating videos about Obama and documenting campaign activities and events for the group’s YouTube channel (www.YouTube.com/UnitedForObama), which has already posted videos featuring Hu and Kal Penn.

    Byler and Park are also board members of APA for Progress, which organized the AAPI team in Las Vegas. APAP has endorsed Sen. Barack Obama, but has also invited volunteers to support any Democratic candidate, as well as the non-partisan group APIAVote, which is seeking to increase APA turnout at the caucuses.

    Along with canvassing for Obama today, Hu, Kwon, Byler, Park and others will be attending APIAVote phone-banking, a non-partisan effort to get AAPIs out to participate.

    Also blogging at http://nv.apaforobama.com are:

    Catherine Park
    Curtis Chin
    Angelica Jongco
    Jenn Fang
    Jenn Pae

    See a mobile blog of the efforts, including
    YouTube videos of Kelly Hu and Kal Penn at

    http://nv.apaforobama.com

    –Keith Kamisugi on Jan 18, 2008

  45. Obama people are still confused as to what questionnaire 80-20 sent them. So they made up their own version. They are SOoo absolutely disorganized! Not surprising at all.

    –Catlink on Jan 18, 2008

  46. westcoaster, to respond to your question about a better alternative, I am restating the last paragraph of my earlier posting:

    If leaders in 80-20 and the APA community truly want to mobilize and make a long-term impact, our efforts would be better suited towards registering more young APA’s (who are skewing progressive) and pushing us all Democratic in November to defeat whichever candidate the Republicans support. I think 80-20’s own response on their website FAQ #8 says it best: “If we want to see the best results — getting people in both parties working diligently for us beginning today, we must endorse a party not a candidate.” (boldtype added) http://www.80-20initiative.net/faq/long.asp#8

    –Brian Wang on Jan 18, 2008

  47. All these Obama supporters would love 80-20 if it endorsed Obama. But if they don’t get their way, they make a big fuss about it. 80-20 doesn’t represent all Asian Americans. But it’s the best thing we have so far. You can find every excuse in the book why Obama didn’t sign onto 80-20’s commitment. The fact is he refuses to sign on, while Clinton and Edwards have. Obama may be full of nice words, but the question is “where’s the beef?”

    –CC on Jan 18, 2008

  48. Well said, CC. Indeed, where’s the beef? Back up the sweet words with REAL promise.

    Lets’ pause and reflect on the silliness of the central challenge of Obama supporters above which is “Prove that Obama will not help us when he becomes President.”

    Well, can anyone prove that there is NOT a little saucer and teacup revolving somewhere around the universe? Or (prove now) that I won’t pay you $5 next year? How else can you be sure if you don’t have a written statement from me saying that I’d indeed pay you $5?

    The whole idea of bloc voting and political solidarity is to POOL our otherwise few votes to make a political difference. Why would we want to support someone who has no good reason not to sign the same damn questionnaire that seasoned veterans like Clinton, Edwards, Biden, etc. have signed?

    Those who delude themselves into believing that Obama’s not signing is a sign of character would also have to accept that early American presidents before civil rights were similarly outstanding human beings because they refuse to cater to the special interests of the blacks hoping to sit at the front of the bus or even entering a white university. Please wake up! Do you see the folly of your ways?

    Contrary to what one person said, none of the politicians can take the promises of commitment to 80-20 (and for that matter to any other special interest group) in a cavalier manner. It will come back to haunt them if they fail to deliver. I’ll bet you that’s why 80-20 presented their case in the form of a questionnaire to be answered only yes/no.

    It is quite clear to me why 80-20 is targeting Obama:
    1) He refuse to commit to the same advancement in Asian rights as the other candidates did
    2) He is a leading candidate and will compete directly with other candidates who support us.
    3) In order to support the candidate(s) who support our cause, we have to help defeat those who don’t.

    That’s pretty clear, isn’t it? Think about it.
    It’s becoming more and more clear to me as I think about it. I think the folks at 80-20 really know what they are doing, and when I study the questionnaire, I don’t see a damn shred of evidence to indicate they (80-20) have anything private to gain. It is for all of us, even as some of us are kicking it in the shin while it tries to lift us from the tar pits of inequality.

    –Shingo Ono on Jan 18, 2008

  49. I am so taken aback by the unilateral, forceful, combative, and frankly, “bullying” behaviors coming out of 80-20, including their very board members who feel they must exert their authority (or more like, control) on the issue, on every blog on the internet.

    I’m not sure if they’ve thought about it, but their one-track minded attack campaign on Obama is starting to look like an organization’s desperate attempt for attention, any attention. Or, perhaps they just want to be relevant and respected as THE major Asian American political force. The former is a given, but if anyone really wants to truly fight and win for the causes of all Asian Americans, they actually have to earn that right as the latter.

    Unfortunately for 80-20, I’m afraid their actions, if the current issues is any indication, have already shown that they will and are capable of using any means necessary, even if the methods are misleading, false, divisive, damaging, or negative.

    I truly hope I am wrong. But with their continued and relentless attacks operating at full speed, one is left to wonder how much more poisonous our entire Asian American political landscape can get before we are any closer to our common goals.

    –Mai on Jan 18, 2008

  50. The leaders at 80-20initiative have painstakingly provided the facts and explanations, in as clear a manner as possible, for the PAC’s endorsement.
    Yet, they are being attacked with innuendos of “secret agenda”, “poison”, etc.
    Some people are simply too thick-skulled to understand 80-20’s simple, direct statements.
    The vehemence with which these people attack the 80-20 organization and its leaders, despite the convincingly clear and simple statements and arguments issued by 80-20 ( which are there in 80-20’s website for anyone to review), makes me suspect that these attackers are either brainless or have their own secret agendas.
    With such people, no amount of logical argumentation will do any good.
    It is laughable that one of them even attack the minor grammatical errors in one of 80-20’s statements. “Poisoning the political landscape”, indeed!

    –James Uy on Jan 18, 2008

  51. Hey James, I don’t mind your direct reference to me. No lame pretense required here. On with the issue.

    You obviously don’t see any contradiction in 80-20’s “non-partisan” partisanship, therefore anyone who raises questions about 80-20’s vicious and unfounded attacks on one Democratic candidate is now to blame, as non other than “attackers?” Wow, Asian American reactions (such as mine) against a “non-partisan” group’s formal, public, blatant and strategic attack on a candidate with a large following of AAPIs…are suddenly, “brainless or have their own secret agendas?”

    Why do you insult yourself and all of us as such? Do you mean that, for instance, any Asian American who supports Barack Obama (as suggested by the Board of 80-20) must somehow themselves be just as anti-Asian American, because after all, they couldn’t get Obama to sign some poorly written questionnaire for 80-20?

    Really? Asian American Domecratic political activists (too many to name here) are actively seeking to prevent ourselves from being treated with equality as proposed by 80-20 Questionnaire? Wow, now is this the “secret agendas” you’re referring to?

    Sophia, please tell me if my eyes are fooling me or not, but the vast majority of the information on 80-20’s front page of their website happens to be about defeating one presidential candidate, Barack Obama. So much for “Republicans for 80-20″ and other such lies like “Independents for 80-20.” If you ask me, it’s more like, “80-20, a partisan organization with the sole agenda against only one Obama candidate.”

    Please refute those simple facts for me. Oops, I just saw that 80-20 just took like 75% of their front page attack materials OFF their main webpage.

    Interesting development, I must say!

    –Mai on Jan 21, 2008

  52. Has anybody on the 80-20 staff actually ever spoken to Obama himself? Or is this just a case of competing staff members having a pissing contest?

    For all we know, Obama doesn’t even know about this questionaire or it was never brought to his attention. Rather than conducting a scorched-earth compaign against the guy, perhaps it would be prudent to actually have a conversation with the person you are willing to go against.

    –Randy on Jan 21, 2008

  53. I’m quite sure that at least Dr. Edward Lin, Dr. S.B. Woo, or Kathleen To have talked to Sen. Obama themselves, and after listening to him explain himself, decided that he just needs to be defeated, no matter what.

    Of course.

    People with high integrity usually have themselves well-covered before any such pre-meditated campaigns. I would air on 80-20 having solid evidence that Obama has indeed proven himself to quite an Anti-Asian American candidate, and therefore must be defeated at all cost…save the Republicans.

    –Mai on Jan 21, 2008

  54. I’m disappointed in this article’s tone, and I was disappointed to read that 80/20 has decided to support Clinton. I read through Obama’s letter response to them, and he details carefully his support of Asian Americans, and I can say that I am more impressed with the fact that he actually has his own viewpoint and approach to minority issues (which he has clearly acted on in his history), as opposed to Clinton and the other candidates, who have allowed viewpoints to be dictated to them, and then signed ‘yes’, in what is clearly a politically serving approach to the situation. - From an educated Asian American female voting for Obama

    –s on Jan 22, 2008

  55. If you look at 80-20’s website, not a single Republican candidate responded to their questionaire. And yet 80-20 is single-mindedly attacking Obama for not answering their questionaire.

    That kind of behavior calls into question 80-20’s supposedly non-partison agenda. They’re starting to look more and more like Republican shills.

    Also, 80-20 appears to have just recently redesigned their entire website to take all references to Obama off the front page of the site. For the past few weeks, almost every single article and link on the front page was devoted to “Defeat Obama!!!”. Somebody must have just noticed how ridiculous their site was becoming.

    –Randy on Jan 22, 2008

  56. Here are the individuals at 80-20 personally responsible for ordering the unrelenting attacks on Obama:

    President: Kathleen To (New Mexico)
    Vice President: Amy Wong Mok (Texas)
    Acting Secretary: Kim Song (Missouri)
    Treasurer: Jing-Li Yu (New York)
    Immediate Past President: S.B. Woo (Delaware)
    Chair, Nomination Comm.: Linden Nishinaga (California)
    Chair, Election Monitoring Comm: Yueh-Ting Lee (Ohio)

    Kelvin Chen (California)
    David Chai (California)
    Hong-Yee Chiu (Maryland)
    Laura Ling Hsu (Texas)
    Joel Wong (California)
    John Wong (California)
    David Yang (California)
    Frank Lee (California)
    Edward Lin (Florida)

    I’m sure their combined integrity as honorable Asian American activists are able to withstand any backlash resulting from their current actions…for the long haul.

    –Sabastian on Jan 22, 2008

  57. I am extremely disappointed in 80/20, not only for their insistence on targeting the Obama campaign, but also for their unwillingness to recognize all the facts. It was the Obama campaign — not 80/20 — that revealed the conflict over the questionnaire’s wording. And it is the Obama campaign — not 80/20 — that is spreading malicious lies about Obama’s true stance on Asian American equal opportunity.

    Senator Obama’s response letters are quite clear: he is for equal opportunities and equal employment for all Americans, including Asian Americans. However, he is concerned about the constitutionality of the questionnaire — a question of constitutionality that 80/20 refuses to address in a reasonable fashion.

    Asian Americans forming a political coalition is a respectable goal. But to energize our base by lying to us with half-truths that suggest Obama is willfully working against Asian Americans is not only political game-playing, but is actually harmful and disrespectful of Asian American people, particularly immigrant Asian Americans who rely on the same non-English language newspapers for information that 80/20 is using to spread their misinformation.

    For more information on 80/20, please visit my blog at http://www.reappropriate.com

    –Jenn on Jan 23, 2008

  58. 80-20 officers have CLEARLY stated that the main goal of the organization is unity among Asian-Americans in order to show that this large minority group has political power, and therefore, the politicians must not continue to ignore our group.
    I respect the intellectual arguments used by the Chicago Asian-American group who unfortunately support Obama’s candidacy, but I have nothing except contempt for the others
    who vehemently attack 80-20 officers and members in a personal manner.
    Who can those attackers be?
    1. A. Non-Asian-Americans who have something to gain from the continued suppression of equal opportunities for Asian-Americans or who, for some other reason(s), fear the rise of political power of Asian-Americans.
    B. People using Asian sounding names in order to fool others into thinking that they are Asian-Americans.
    2. Asian-Americans who do not understand the goal of 80-20. Somebody please help them—again!
    3. Asian-Americans who have been bought to betray their own ethnic group.
    There ought to be a name for each of the above types of attackers. I’d like to suggest the following:
    1. A. Opportunists,
    B. Cowards,
    2. Morons,
    3. Traitors.

    –James on Jan 23, 2008

  59. James, your post is patently ridiculous. As a Chinese-American, I take offense at your characterization that someone like me must either not understand 80-20’s goals or are “morons & traitors”.

    I understand perfectly well what 80-20’s goals are, and in fact I support them. What I don’t support are their methods in regards to how they are attacking Obama. I also object to your simplistic “either you are with us or against us” absolutist mentality. Nobody elected you the representatives of Asian America. I sure as hell didn’t.

    Answer this: Why is 80-20 singling out Obama when not a SINGLE Republican candidate bothered to answer the questionaire???

    This is taken directly from the 80-20 website:
    _____
    Reply to the Questionnaire from the Republican candidate

    No Response Yet: Mayor Rudy Giuliani (has a policy of not replying to questionnaires)
    No Response Yet: Governor Mike Huckabee (According to Janice Cherry, Policy Director, the Huckabee campaign does not answer any questionnaires at this moment.)
    No Response Yet: Congressman Duncan Hunter
    No Response Yet: Senator John McCain
    No Response Yet: Congressman Ron Paul
    No Response Yet: Governor Mitt Romney
    No Response Yet: Senator Fred Thompson (has a policy of not replying to questionnaires)
    _____
    http://www.80-20initiative.net/news/preselect2008.asp

    So all of the Republican candidates either claimed they had a policy of not responding to questionaires or IGNORED 80-20’s questionaire altogether. And yet you’re focusing on Obama who actually responded to your request and was willing to have a dialogue with your group over the questionaire’s wording.

    Your own website proves your group’s biases.

    –Randy on Jan 23, 2008

  60. “unity among Asian-Americans” does not happen by decrees from 80-20’s top-down hierarchy. In fact, disunity is the direct result of 80-20’s actions. This Obama attack campaign will serve as concrete evidence of such disunity…promulgated by 80-20’s core leadership team.

    James, your racist assumptions does not speak well for yourself, 80-20 or our Asian America.

    –Mai on Jan 23, 2008

  61. James, no one disputes 80/20’s STATED goal; what is up for dispute is whether this group’s proven tactics are contradictory to that goal and/or harmful to the APIA community at large.

    And as a highly-educated Chinese American, like Randy, I too am offended by your argument that anyone who speaks out against 80/20 is either a moron or a race traitor. It’s that kind of a divisive stance that works directly against 80/20’s stated mission to unite the community; there’s no room in your rhetoric for a reasonable person to have justified reasons to disagree with 80/20.

    –Jenn on Jan 23, 2008

  62. The way that the 80-20 questionnaire was written - and the approach that 80-20 used to make its point - reminded me so much of Hillary Clinton’s overall campaign strategy.

    Like the Clinton camp, that questionnaire was full of gross assumptions, intentional manipulation of Obama’s record with the AAPI community, and smearing of his good name to try and win support.

    And, like the Clinton campaign, because those with 80-20 didn’t get what they wanted, when they wanted it, the organization felt that the best approach to make their point - versus so many other more civil and equally effective ways to express their concerns - was to push Obama up against the wall with its “if you don’t respond, we therefore assume you are anti-AAPI and are going to round up our peeps and bring you down!”

    In Chinese, we call people like that –> 小人.

    I sincerely hope that 80-20 all along has the intention to support Hillary Clinton because I don’t know how the organization will recover from this if, in the end, they were hoping to support Obama.

    One thing is for certain.

    80-20 does not in any way represent me.

    –Christine on Jan 23, 2008

  63. I am disgusted by people who can’t read, including those that claim to be highly educated.
    Let me repeat (Just remember, repetition is needed only for those weak minds.):
    I respect intellectual argumentation on the point of debate, but I dislike those that stray from the point and viciously/needlessly attack 80-20 officers or its members.
    For instance (Again, examples are for weak minds.), some people are still questioning why 80-20 is not knocking Republican candidates.
    If those that ask this question can read, they would shut up. There’s no point in answering questions from those that can’t read. Category 2.

    –James on Jan 24, 2008

  64. This peculiar 80/20 matter is starting to smell like a sham opposition, meant to reduce the appearance that some citizens are ganging up against whites (80+20) %. Perhaps committee100 is in on this little Sun Tzuey charade. They approach Obama with demands they know will meet resistance, then have their sham foul to
    cry about.

    Why? Burning every bridge to the majority is a risky thing for tenuous minority.

    Somebody watch the 80/20 heads and see who they really pull the levers for.

    –Jim Erbes on Jan 24, 2008

  65. I believe that most people who are against 80-20 on this forum are blacks pretending to be Asians. But in case some Asians have not read the 80-20 website carefully, I like to offer the following my understanding about 80-20’s campaign:

    1. Why 80-20 targets Obama only: He happens to be the only Democratic front-runner who refuses to answer the questionnaire but tries to fool us using sweet, non-measurable words.